Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Amidst the ongoing Gaza genocide, the NATO nation wars in West Asia and in Europe, the IMF and World bank chose Thailand to meet this week to further impoverish the New Order countries. Then they made growth forecasts 7% for India. But why did the Washington hitmen institutions bother to publish forecasts that assumed oil is going to be $96 a barrel? I'm Afshin Ratansi and you're watching New.
India's PM Modi declared this week. We grow with the world and for the world. Warning against weaponization of trade and resources. This is Washington gave Beijing a free pass to import Russian energy while threatening India with full on economic war for doing the same thing. Trump then announced the USA would permit trade with Russia while retaining threats against hundreds of millions of Indians with tariffs. That's something that will come up if Marco Rubio, currently trying to destroy BRICS associate member Cuba arrives in Mumbai this week while while India's Jaishankar was in the uae. All this is India's Foreign Ministry condemned more attacks in this region after Indian sailors Bir Bahadur Yadav and Amit Singh were missing after an attack in June. The US never even acknowledged killing three Indian sailors after it fired at them. Oh, and since then India bankrolled Washington more than any country in percentage hike terms, except for Britain buying $12 billion more of US debt as the rupee sunk to a near record low. This in a week of continued India, Russia Special Mechanism, Pakistan and Afghanistan Talks New Order Zahan will be on later to answer your questions. Posted on social media with me now from Kingston, New York is Gerald Celente, founder of Trends Research Institute. For decades, Celenta has tracked the economic and geopolitical forces shaping our future, from financial crises and market turmoil to the shifting balance of global power. Gerald welcome to New Order. Before we remind viewers of how the World bank and the IMF meeting in Thailand will be keeping poor countries poorer, you told me in May 2024 that if Israel went to war against Iran, oil would be $130. Actually, in April it hit $126. Pretty close. But then it did go to 141.
How did you make the forecast? Happy with the forecast? And why is the IMF and World bank making estimates based on it at $96 a barrel? And all the world's media are taking their IMF World bank growth forecasters gospel
[00:02:37] Speaker B: again. They're part of the club. There used to be this comedian George Collins said it's one big club and you ain't in it. They're Trying to persuade the people that things aren't going to get as bad as they are.
And again, I became a trend forecaster and a political atheist. This is one of my books, Trend Tracking Far better than Megatrends, Time magazine.
When the Iranian conflict broke out in the late 1970s, they taught us to hate Iran without 99% of the people having any idea how the UK and the United States overthrew the democratically elected government of Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953 because he said the oil in Iran does not belong to Anglo Iranian Oil or better known today as BP or Standard Oil, better known today as ExxonMobil. They did not release the telegrams, by the way, between Kermit Roosevelt, who was Theodore Roosevelt's grandson, and Winston Churchill until the late 2000s of how they're going to overthrow the government. Anyway, going back oil, I started playing the golden oil futures back then. I'm going back to 1978, and that's when I quit my job in the corporate world and became a trend forecaster.
Look at what's going on with the cost of oil that is destroying the entire globe.
You've mentioned India. Let's see. India's retail inflation, 5.54% in September. All right, and what's bringing it up?
Fertilizer prices. Where do they get a lot of the oil from? I used to get a lot of it from.
From Iran.
The Strait of Hormuz is closed down. And again, we only put the facts in the. We have a trends journal weekly magazine. We only put the facts in there. You heard from the Secretary of the Treasury, Bessant. You heard from the Secretary of Energy of the United States, Chris Wright. You heard from President Trump, hey, we're in control of the straight hormones. Oh, we got Navy ships bringing tankers through. Don't worry about it. Everything's going to be okay. They're rigging the markets as much as they can.
I'm only going by the facts. Again, we only put the facts in that they say. And what happens? I'm gonna give you 48 hours. You don't give me 48 hours, you don't make a peace deal, we're gonna blow you into the Stone Age. And what happens Monday? They say that over the weekend. Okay, we're gonna give you another two weeks. Down go oil prices. They're doing everything they can to rig these markets, particularly in the run up to the midterm elections, which is just a couple of weeks away in the United States. And we've got to See what's going to happen in Israel with their election just two weeks away so anything could go. There is no bottom to this oil price. It's going to keep going up.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: Could he be wanting higher oil prices regardless of how countries like India and the entire Global south will suffer because of higher oil prices given the profits are well up for the big oil
[00:05:51] Speaker B: majors Again, they don't care about the people. The rich are getting richer, the billionaires are getting more money and the people don't count. You know one of our top trends for 2026, just to give you an example, is the Gen Z revolution.
They elected a guy Mondani in New York. Again. I'm a Bronx New Yorker. Who would have ever thought a 34 year old kid would have got elected to the biggest city in America?
Gen Z, they're broken. Busted. What happened in Nepal? Oh, Gen Z overthrew the government. What's going on in India? The Cockroach party.
The people are going broke. The rich are getting richer. This war that was launched by two warmongers, Netanyahu and Trump is costing 8 billion people the price.
Fertilizer. One thing after another going up and 8 billion people can't stop. Two warmongers.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:50] Speaker B: European gas prices reach highest level since 2022. Sulfur supply war poses threat to food prices as miners outbid fertilizer groups. These are articles, for example, from Financial Times.
This is serious.
Again, I've been at this for 46 years. Never have I seen more serious geopolitical and socioeconomic trends as I see today.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: Meanwhile, the IMF and World bank were meeting in Bangkok and Nigeria's Finance minister Taiwo Dele said at something called the Global south caucus, the G24. I didn't even know that existed. Actually. It's apparently for developing countries. But at least he did say why is it developing countries pay $500 billion a year more than the rich countries than developed countries? Is that actually the imf? World bank objective?
[00:07:45] Speaker B: You know, again, and they only represent the bigs and the rich. They could care less about the people and the imf. I mean this is a joke, you know, International Monetary Fund, you know, take it easy.
And again, it's unionization of everything. Look what they did to Europe when they created the European Union and the euro. It destroyed the individual countries and now it's just a bureaucratic mess.
And again, one of my sayings is when all else fails, they take you to war.
Look what's going on in France with the again Gen Z taking to the streets. The people are going broken, busted. We're building up our military. What's going on in the UK with Burnham? Oh, we got to build up our military. We got to help those Ukrainians. What's going on in Germany where the economy is going to crap. The manufacturers have lost their jobs to China.
Oh, we got to build up our military.
And that does not build up the economy. They're doing this.
Economies grow when the products that are manufactured are consumed by the people.
This is only going to enrich the military industrial complex. And you talked about what they said about the 24 countries.
This is the beginning of the death of the dollar.
The world has had enough of the United States hegemony, socioeconomic and geopolitical.
America became the country our founding fathers fought against Great Britain, and here's why.
Great Britain went down where the sun never sets on the British Empire. We slaughter people all over the world.
How long were they in India? A couple over 100 years. People in India died because what UK did when they occupied it.
So they're starting wars all over the world. And what happened with World War I?
That was the end of the pound, and that's when the dollar went up.
When I say the United States became the nation our founding fathers fought about the business of America's war.
Our country's riding in front of us. The roads are a joke, potholes everywhere. They got this thing called Amtrak. It's Amcraft, the train.
I could drive 45 minutes to Montreal from where I am.
You take AMC Rap, 10 hours each way.
[00:10:12] Speaker A: I don't know.
I took Amtrak, and I mean it. It did take eight hours to get from Washington, D.C. to New York, I should add. But how should Delhi react then to. I mean, you mentioned a massive death toll of colonialism.
What should Delhi conclude after China got a pass on the Russian energy imports? And then Trump announced that Russian energy would be free to be on the global markets. And yet the threat of tariffs against India for importing Russian energy still sits there. 15% tariffs on India for doing exactly the same thing.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: They make up anything they want and they change their mind all the time. What are they talking, Taco Trump? Trump always chickens out.
So here's the deal. It's the death of the dollar is on a new horizon.
And the brics are going to unite at some point, and China's already doing it. As I say, the business of America's war, the business of China's business.
You're going to see China and India lead the world in AI and high tech again. You got to go by the Numbers, America has 343 million people. We're talking about India and China having what, about 1.4 billion each.
Again, we only do trend forecasting and tracking trends is the understanding of where we are, how we got here and see where we're going.
Before Bill Clinton brought China into the World Trade Organization 25 years ago, 10% of Chinese 18 year olds went to college.
Today nearly 70%.
They're becoming very educated in high tech, in AI. It's the future. Love it, want it, hate it. Same thing in India. The young people, this is their lives and they're investing very heavily while America invests in war. So that's where we see it taking off, that these are gonna be the countries of the world leader and America's are gonna become the country that our founding fathers fought against. The uk. Look what a mess it is right now.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: And I mean you are predicting a massive crash. How big is the crash gonna be on Western markets?
[00:12:23] Speaker B: Oh, this.
Are you ready for this? You talked about the.
Just saw an article that just came out. Oh, the imf.
IMF warns AI stock collapse could unleash global financial crisis.
That was in Slate News yesterday.
One of our top trends is dot com bus 2.0.
These are Trends Journal magazine back in 2000, 1999, the autumn when it was a quarterly, now it's a weekly.
Dot com. This we forecast the dot com bust would happen by the second quarter 2000.
Again, make connections between different fields. What did I say about China?
70% of Chinese 18 year olds are going to college. Go back 25 years ago, China was broken, busted. The Western nations went there to get cheap labor and gave China all the high tech and heavy industry technology they never had.
Now they're leading the world in it. Let's go back.
What happened to the Cosby index, the South Korean index? Oh, it was down 35% from June. How come?
Oh, because of Samsung and all these other companies that were leading in the high tech world.
China's taking over.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: Charles. Olivia, hang on a minute. We'll return to this in part two. Keep watching New orders.
You're watching New order. Charles, I interrupted you as you were talking about the markets in South Korea.
[00:14:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Again the Chinese are taking over. Again the business of America's war, the business of China's business.
And India is going to be right behind them.
The future. Love it, hate it, want it.
[00:14:14] Speaker A: AI.
[00:14:15] Speaker B: High tech is the future and it's just going to keep escalating. Again. Trends are born, they grow, they mature, reach Old age and die.
The AI trend only became public four years ago, 2022. You don't invest all your money in the infancies. Infants that were born a few years ago and that's what they've done in America.
They're deep in debt, their revenues aren't coming in the way they say they are. And now again, you have to make the connections.
Look what's going on with inflation. Hey, you see those treasury yields going up? See interest rates going up? Oh, that means that they have to pay more debt on their loans as the interest rates go up and they're making less money.
And then you go back to America, $40 trillion in debt, treasury yields going up, interest rates going up. Now you got to pay more on your debt.
As I'm saying to you, this is the beginning of the death of the dollar. And by the way, if you go to Fortune magazine, they're saying the real debt in the United States is more like 126 trillion when you put in Social Security and other government debt.
So this is serious. And again, all of Europe is going down. You look at the numbers, look what's going on in France.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: But just on the debt situation, I mean, the UAE has been selling US Treasuries, Saudi Arabia has been selling it, and South Korea, India and the United Kingdom seem to be the only major economies buying the debt.
What would you say to. I mean, India's the only brics country up 6.3% in the latest figures in foreign holdings of US treasuries.
Would you be telling India to do what the rest of the world is doing?
I don't know why Britain is the biggest buyer of a U.S. debt. Maybe you can explain to me again, it's
[00:16:16] Speaker B: sellouts. That's all it is. Again, look at China.
China's selling the debt like crazy. What are they doing?
Buying gold.
Buying gold, Buying gold.
The amount of gold that China's buying is going through the roof.
They see the danger ahead.
And again, when the markets crash and it's going to happen, that's when you're going to see gold prices spike, regardless of what's happening.
[00:16:47] Speaker A: Not that they have recently.
Not that there has been that relationship recently. It has to be said, I just want to get onto the pain. But you keep talking about the end of the dollar.
I mean, what do you. There's so many brics payment systems now obviously pics by Brazil is being threatened brutally by the United States. And anyway, there's a Brazilian runoff election coming up. But India's UPI and RuPay systems, the idea of which these payment systems can bypass the dollar up is using a walnut company and Google to process about 80% of those transactions.
What would you say to BRICS countries who employ these payment systems, how they can avoid using US tech companies involved in them? And what do you think the US reaction is going to be to all these countries that are bypassing the dollar in the immediate future? You think they're just going to sit there and relax about it?
[00:17:45] Speaker B: I think they're going to go towards China. China's going to have more advanced and cheaper technology for them to use.
[00:17:50] Speaker A: Yeah, but what's the American reaction going to be? What's, what's the Pentagon doesn't count anymore.
[00:17:58] Speaker B: It doesn't count anymore. Again, this is the beginning of the end of the American empire.
They destroyed the country with these wars one after another. What's your favorite war? You like the Korean War and I like the Vietnam War. How about the Iraq War? No, I like the Afghan war better than that. I want that guy Gaddafi out of there. Let's get a sod out of it's nonstop Venezuela one after another.
[00:18:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but the US successfully did destroy Libya.
It did successfully kidnap Venezuela's president.
Should we not expect the United States to respond that way?
[00:18:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm just saying look what they've done to Libya. It was the richest country in Africa.
The people had more rights and benefits than most of the world.
So I mean they're just going to keep these wars going. Again, we only put the facts in the Trent's Journal magazine. Go back to February 28th, when the war began that was launched by Netanyahu and Trump.
Go to our Trends journal magazine on March 10th. This is Trump.
I attacked Iran them he said because it was my opinion they were going to attack us first.
All right, your opinion that they were going to attack us and you attacked them. This is an illegal war that's costing the whole world. So what I'm telling you, they'll do anything at any time to make up any excuse they want for any reason.
They'll invent anything. And don't forget, let's go back to March 1st. A day later.
How long will the war last?
He told the New York Times, four to five weeks.
Welcome to eight months.
Okay.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: And in order to keep the war going, of course, historically the United States and NATO countries are not immune to false flags. What have you made of these recent stories? The fly Dubai story, the Raf Fairford Iran incident, how Russia caused Brexit according to the Unelected British Prime Minister Burnham.
[00:20:05] Speaker B: Again, they'll make up anything they want.
And again, I mentioned my our trend forecast.com bust. What happened? America went into recession. The NASDAQ was down 78%. 9, 11.
Everybody forgot about it.
92% of the Americans, according to the Gallup poll, swallowed the baloney coming out of little Georgie Bush's mouth. We're going to get that guy Osama bin Laden, dead or alive again. When all else fails, they take it to war.
Europe is ramping up the spending in war. The facts are all there.
And it's not going to be a war.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: Will it be a war on China then? I mean, what will be the reaction to the massive crash on the Nasdaq and the New York Stock Exchange that you're predicting on the S and P?
[00:20:58] Speaker B: Oh, if they go to war against China, you couldn't beat the Vietnamese, you couldn't beat the Iraqis, you couldn't beat the Afghans. Again, what makes you think you're going to beat the Persians? And there's no way you're going to beat the Chinese. They're very advanced militarily and all levels.
And again, one of my books was called Trends 2000 International Bestseller. They brought me to Virginia military institute in 2000. You know why I talked about new millennium warfare? I'm going back 26 years ago, I said all these trains, all these planes, tanks, ships, it's useless.
It's a whole different world is going to happen again. This is before drones and all of that. It's going to be a high tech, massive global war in many different fields. And our greatest fear is nuclear war.
And again, Israel has what they call the Samson option. They say if they're losing against Iran, they're going nuclear. And they have between 90 to 400 nuclear warheads. Russia has also warned that if they invade areas near the Baltic Sea where shipping is going through, they're going nuclear.
So those are our concerns.
And there's no peace going on. Not a penny for peace from the billionaires. Can you imagine if the billionaires had and where were all the religions? Could you imagine if all the religions went out there and the God that they believed in and asked for peace would be a whole different world. This war is costing the entire world world. The facts are all there and yet nothing about peace.
[00:22:36] Speaker A: And at Trends Journal, what are you saying about the probability then of say, Netanyahu using a nuclear weapon? We had a former chief of staff at the State Department said Netanyahu was given the go ahead by Trump to be able to use Dimona to attack Iran.
[00:22:54] Speaker B: Again, let's get this a thousand percent clear.
Remember, they signed a thing called the Memorandum of Understanding.
What were some of the deals in the Memorandum of Understanding?
That Israel has to withdraw from Lebanon.
It was just reported in antiwar.com Israel has destroyed villages in southern Lebanon.
Look what's going on in the West Bank.
Stealing, stealing more land. And I say shove this word settlers up your. You know what? They're not settlers, they're invaders in violation of the Geneva Convention and Article 242 of the United Nations.
Look what they've done to Gaza. The genocide going back. Now, there's not going to be an end of the war because Israel is not going to abide by the demands from Iran to withdraw from Lebanon and the west bank and Gaza.
And the United States is not going to give Iran back the money that they've stolen from them.
There's one deal after another. There's not going to be a peace deal. The war is going to continue to escalate.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: There's no sign of peace at all. Obviously, the Versailles Memorandum understanding signed by Trump is dead in the water.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Again, look at the facts.
Remember, they had a ceasefire deal with Lebanon.
They're attacking him every day.
And now you heard this guy Smotridge, the guy over there in Israel, saying that, you know, we're going to take over all of Gaza.
Oh, and I forgot Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner, again in the Trent's journal, March of 2024, he said about Gaza, quote, it's very valuable waterfront property and that the Palestinians should be pushed out to the Negev desert. You got it.
[00:24:46] Speaker A: Gerald Celente. Gerald Celente, thank you.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:24:55] Speaker A: Well, after those dark predictions, it's time now for your questions through Sar Khan.
[00:24:59] Speaker C: Lots of questions. This week a master portal has asked how is the US Destabilizing Brazil?
[00:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah, we were talking about it a little with Gerald Celente there. Trump imposed 50% tariffs for the prosecution of the candidate's father, Jair Bolsonaro. They named picks as unfair. The payment system said it's unfair trade. Rubio, who's going to India, I understand he said Brazil. Any deal was conditioning on ruining its relations with China. So I don't know what he's going to be saying to India. Lula told me global governance has been outsourced to people like Trump. But we got to admit that Obama refused to declassify documents about US coordination of mass killing and torture in Brazil. And Lula himself, for his part, stopped Venezuela joining brics and accepted Naboa for fraudulent victory in Ecuador and no oil for Cuba. So it's all bad leadership in Brazil, arguably.
[00:25:55] Speaker C: And Arjan McBohunk has asked, why is America the nuclear weapons police of the world?
[00:26:00] Speaker A: Yeah, why indeed? They facilitated illegal nuclear weapons to Israel, so how can they be a police?
Missing Pennsylvania stored uranium was sent to Israel, apparently. And the producer of Pretty Woman Fight Club and jfk, Arnon Milchen, he admitted giving the nuclear triggers to Israel. So how can they be the police of the world in any way? And Rafael Grossi of the iaea, which is supposed to be the nuclear police of the world, is linked to Israel. The IAEA has embedded MI6 agents in it. And Iran, a non Proliferation Treaty member, is the one that gets bombed. Israel, everything's fine. Reagan said Pakistan did not have any nukes to keep aid to the mujahideen in Afghanistan. That would morph into Al Qaeda keeping
[00:26:48] Speaker C: up with the US. Shankara7386 has asked, why do we keep saying US is just a threat to India, but it's clearly a threat to the world?
[00:26:56] Speaker A: I think everyone accepts that thanks to Trump. The threat is definitely across the entire world. With the Democrats though, it's more hidden. Arguably, at least Trump shows that the United States is a threat to the world, but the Democrats, they continue the threats and they hide it. And obviously the US's desire is to destroy BRICS. 70% of US H1B visas are Indian and they've all got Now a fee, $100,000 fee since January, 1% tax on remittances to India. And of course they bombed Chabahar, India's port in Iran. A threat of 100% tariffs on China.
It's clearly a threat to the global south and brics.
[00:27:41] Speaker C: Thank you for those answers, Afshin. I'll be back with more next week.
[00:27:43] Speaker A: Thanks, Zara, and follow us on x@new ordertv to ask your questions. Let's hope NATO nation armed wars quieten down by next week. See you Sunday.
